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 on condorcet's paradox [Nov. 7th, 2007|10:36 am] matt In an election where you pick two of three candidates (or write in), can the result of voting among the three candidates sum to ~100%?http://sanmateodailynews.com/article/2007-11-7-sb-city-councilI suppose, each vote can be divided by 2 times the number of total voters (each voter votes twice) to give an ultimate "percentage". But, to my way of thinking, this means that Araujo's 25.3% return means that his name was on over 50% of the ballots, and he didn't win. Consider this:of candidates A+B+C, pick two, if four people vote A+B,A+B,A+C,B+C: A=B=3/8= 38%. c=2/8=25%. And yet, fifty percent of people voted for C. If I detest the incumbents equally, by having to vote for two (and choosing randomly or the lesser of evils) I entrench incumbency.Conversely, this means that if they didn't divide like that, and that's a percent of votes cast, that only 38% of people voted for the most popular candidate.And, that's of people who actually showed up to vote.How is this democracy a republic just?update: as of 2pm, the vote is TIED for Measure F. Yes, your vote does matter, even when you're ready to damn it all. Link Reply

 From: 2007-11-07 08:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
i guess i'm curious about a few things wrt this election:

1) did you have to vote for two candidates in order to vote for any? what prevented you from voting for only one?

2) if 1) is the case, why didn't mr. araujo pick a politically harmless person to run w/ him, forming a slate of two? (in fact, regardless of 1), i wonder why he didn't.)

3) as to how it's just, in a plurality election w/ n candidates, the winner needs only 1/n + 1 votes, even if there's just a single seat up for grabs. or are you saying you don't like plurality elections, and would prefer that if the leader after one round of voting has less than half the votes, some number m < n candidates are selected for (potentially successive) runoffs until one candidate does get a majority vote?
 From: 2007-11-07 09:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
In principle, I could have voted for one, or Araujo + a write for Me, if (as with some election machines) they mandate two votes.

In some elections, if you only select one, the ballot is considered invalid and discarded. (I don't know the local politics well enough to know if any of the above apply, to my discredit, though I'm sufficiently motivated now to not make those kind of choices uniformed next time).

On the particular machine, it's tremendously difficult to write in. You must select each letter the way you select your initials in a videogame, by scrolling through all the letters.

The reason he didn't run a slate is that the opposition candidate is young (25) and inexperienced- the whole "no on F" campaign has a certain wacky quality which is what has had me following it these past two or so months. His command of math in many of the "no on F" campaigns clearly voiced that he hadnt thought out the mathematical consequences of how he ran his election.

I am not really contesting that those who won, won fairly. Over two thirds of people voted for either of the other candidates, which is fair and square in my book. I'm more concerned with the "how to make this better in the future" angle, and getting a little cheap bitching in as well fter what was a night of a comedy of errors. Ths was my first election after having moved out here where I had hoped I was ready to vote, and things were just so different than in NJ that I suffered culture shock.

What worries me is that whatever the circumstances, there's a situation where a small majority of people can (in an election where the rules prejudice the situation I describe in my post through subterfuge or ignorance or whatever) vote for a candidate and they are not elected, and what that means. I think there's a possibility where the winners can win fairly and at the same time, the loser can lose unfairly, and that's a concept I'm trying to wrap my head around.