Hehehe.
What being a 5 tells me (as another one), is how people are going to react to me.
It's a reminder that my behavior, and in fact no behavior is the default.

I agree. I think that creating the perception that I am a five allows me to manipulate and control others. I can use it against (or more boringly, for) the other person.

Hmm.

(you forgot Destroy All Monsters! -my favorite Godzilla movie)

at least you acknowledge: "Some might argue the very fact that I disagree analytically with being categorized as a type 5 proves how type 5 I really am."

But, I'll attempt to jump in on this one, what the hell.

I too have continuously tested out as a type 5. Do I think there's some grand objective 9 degree typing system out there? No. Quantum physics teaches us that there is no "objective". Do I define myself by my 5-ness? No. But I find it a useful construct when trying to describe my methods of perception to others.

I will agree with you that models are inherently wrong, but that does not mean they aren't useful in certain exercises, and in putting together contexts to explain or describe things. We agree to play by certain rules (which in and of themselves constitute a model) in order to cope with the concepts of our awareness and our surroundings. Which I guess is another way of saying:

"you just have to understand and accept what you trade off as the price of knowledge. We use tools to observe systems, and tools have impact on the systems we study."

We accepted that by agreeing to be here, and participating in this reality. And while we are right now pursuing an intellectual exercise to think outside the box (so to speak), we still do so from within the box. We posit that there's a box to think outside of, when we know that its all maya. Which again, by temporarily defining it as maya, we give it the substance of maya. This is a rather vicious circle we're falling into.

Like language, numerology is a tool, nothing more.

A wise person once described language as originally being a form of expression. Now it has become restricting and confining.

The moment you name something (through language), it becomes. The cat is dead. Or alive.

The Way which can be spoken of is not the True Way...-Lao Tzu

just some disjointed thoughts, most likely in a good portion of agreement.

I think my comment is more toward the use of tools non-rigorously. I disagree that you can take the result of a tool, and then bend the result to fit the facts. It's like skeet shooting- you cannot take the fact that you measured your miss to be five yards to mean that you succeeded in hitting the target.

The point is not the insight. All insights are false. The point is the process. Quantum physics does not teach us that there is no objective. It teaches us that the process becomes the objective. It teaches us that there is *always* an undefinable, unknowable process which creates the correct result. It gives us a path to creating new processes to estimate new (and wholly inaccurate) results. Follow the process, use the process. If the process is wrong, use a different process. Quantum mechanics is not some highly refined tool. It is a meta tool- and if you buy in, it is a wholly accurate meta tool.

The enneagram is the only one that has ever been powerful for me. I'm the living breathing poster girl for 4!!!! I'm drawn to 5's always have been. That is because I wing 5. The best match for me tends to be 5's with a wing of 4. Just random knowledge... oh yeah I run the enneagram lj community too ;)

I'm trying to decide (based upon minimal information) if your self-certain attitude is a fantasy or a well observed point. I'm very leery of people who appear to have figured themselves out, especially myself.

While I concede how people would find me to be a 5, I am also very strongly a six and an eight. I'm a registered republican, I vote and pay taxes, I obey authority. I command the respect of CEO's and tell them what to do. I play chess emotionally, not analytically. I drive teams and work well in them because I naturally assume leadership roles. I listen to others but make my own decisions. I don't need answers, I need questions. I work best with unsolvable problems. I have an intense need to be secure and am obsessed with investing and saving for my future as a path to security. I take on the personality characteristics of people I admire and who I see as successful leaders.

Ummmm, okay. I think you are missing a strong point of a 4, they can't figure anything out *laugh*. I feel out everything... and I feel most close to a 4... that is part of how it works. If I gave you the impression that I know anything other than I relate... well... don't think that ;) I'm just floating emotional Jasmine :)